Carla Zaccagnini

Nyhet Artikkel på Engelsk|19.09.17

I det kritiske samtalekøkken

Carla Zaccagnini. Foto: Anú Ramdas.

Netop hjemvendt fra Los Angeles, hvor hun har åbnet udstilling på Los Angeles County Museum of Art indvilliger Carla Zaccagnini i at svare på et par spørgsmål om sine visioner som ny professor på Det Kongelige Danske Kunstakademi. For når efterårssemestret officielt begynder den 2. oktober, træder også en række strukturelle omlægninger i kraft, der blandt andet indebærer oprettelsen af en ny skole Skolen for Konceptuelle og Kontekstuelle Praksisser som Zaccagnini ikke blot skal lede men også være med til at opbygge.

Den nye skole bliver en af fire nye tre-årige MFA-programmer, der erstatter de seks professorskoler. Zaccagnini overtager derfor efter Katya Sander (professor for det nu nedlagte Skolen for Sprog, Rum og Skala) og Nils Norman (professor for det tidligere Skolen for Mur og Rum.) Skolen for Mediekunst vil fortsat være ledet af Angela Melitopoulus og Billedhuggerskolen Charlottenborg af Martin Erik Andersen. Til gengæld skal Skolen for Maleri og Billedbaserede praksisser (nyt navn for det som tidligere hed Malerskolen) varetages af en anden nyansat professor, Ferdinand Ahm Krag, som erstatter Anette Abrahamson.

Carla Zaccagnini (f. 1973) er bosat i Malmö men opvokset i Brasilien, hvor hun er uddannet fra Universidade de São Paolo. Hun arbejder konceptuelt med en bred vifte af medier herunder video, performance og fotografi og er desuden kurator og kritiker en alsidig og flydende praksis som afspejler en gennemgående interesse for repræsentationers grænser og det transnationale. Tidligere har hun undervist på Pontifícia Universidade Católica i São Paulo og Capacete i Rio de Janeiro, og senest har hun udstillet på Van Abbemuseum i Holland, Malmö Konsthall (sammen med partneren Runo Lagomarsino) og Museu de Arte de São Paolo.

What brought you to Scandinavia, or more specifically to Malmö?

Love. And the Welfare State. My partner is from Malmö and I was living in São Paulo when we met. We lived in Brazil for three years and in 2015 we came to spend a few months in Malmö, our son started day-care and we stayed. It wasn’t a big decision really nor did it end up being an easy one.

Which qualities do you find in The Royal Danish Academy of Fine Arts?

So far, I only know what I have read and heard, and the very little I have seen. But an important point is the active role of the students in the definition of the schools’ programmes and how they are in charge of their own learning processes. Besides, I really like the fact that the central room in the School of Conceptual and Contextual Practices is a communal kitchen. Spaces define the relations we can establish and the ways in which we can become a group, and the kind of thinking and discussions that can take form around a table with food are the ones I want to encourage and to be involved in.  

Carla Zaccagnini, Le quintoir des négres, encore, 2013-14. Dokumentation af performance i Haus am Waldsee, Berlin.

Could you elaborate on your role as a professor? Which values does your teaching build upon?

I see my role as a professor as that of someone who proposes paths of thought that are then journeyed together; ready to adjust the route, but also open to wondering together with the students. The knowledge I am interested in does not exist beforehand; it is not in the books, but in our reading of books. It happens when the words we read encounter the experiences we remember and take on new meaning. Doing this as a group multiplies the experiences and previous references; it forms chains of thought that are impossible to predict or to repeat. 

The School of Conceptual and Contextual Practices partly replaces the former School of Language, Space and Scale which led by Katya Sander had a strong emphasis on a queer-feministic discourse. Do you wish to pursue this profile?

It is a bit early to talk about the profile the school will take on. But I can say I am interested in power structures and how they determine our actions, our language and our understandings; and in the ways in which we can try to deconstruct hegemonic conceptions and the behaviours that accompany them. This is a queer-feminist position, but it is also non-Eurocentric, post-colonial and anthropophagic. I find it very important to insist on this position within the academic territory.

You curate and write as well how has your practice taken this versatile form?

I initially thought I would be an art critic or an art historian (I didn’t really know curators existed back in high school), but as there was no school for art theory in Brazil at that time I first enrolled in an art school. Then I realised I could be an artist that it was also a way of thinking about art. Later I spent some years working both as an artist and as curator, and writing is still one of the things I like better, be it as part of my own work or about other artists. I am very interested in the different fields and cracks that can be occupied by an artist, all the different ways in which artistic thinking and practice can become public, all the roles and positions we can exercise and the voices they allow.

If you were to name artists or perhaps former teachers who have had significant influence on your practice, who would they be?

I could name Cildo Meireles, for example. Or I could mention the writings of Andrea Fraser and Helio Oiticica, conversations with Raquel Garbelotti and Simon Goldin and classes given by Nelson Leirner and Carmela Gross, to name but a few. And I am sure the interaction with faculty and students at the Royal Danish Academy of Fine Arts is going to be inspiring as well.

Carla Zaccagnini, Elements of Beauty: Deeds not Words, 2014-15. Kollaboration med Sally Pointer og Gareth Riseborough.

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